ACLU brings pledge lawsuit in Palm Beach County
Posted on December 23, 2005
Hat tip: The Florida Masochist
I know that many on the left pride dissent, and anti-patriotism as more American than apple pie, but some of us still get a little sick to our stomach when we hear about brats disrespecting the flag. I personally think burning the flag, and refusing to respect the pledge of alligience is something people should shame. If you don’t believe in America, go somewhere else. It is only in a free place like America where you can disrespect the very Country that grants you the freedom to dissent.
One little un-patriotic brat decided he didn’t want to say the pledge of alligience. Apparantly this value was taught by his parents who were quick to come to his aid, calling in the ACLU. Instead of working this out at the lowest level, this family decided to blow it up into a federal case, where the taxpayers will have to pay for it. Absolutely shameful.
Frazier, 17, contends that on Dec. 8, his math teacher, Cynthia Alexandre, berated him in front of his classmates when he refused to stand for the pledge. He says he informed her that he hadn’t done so since he was in sixth grade.
“See your desk? Now look at mine. Big desk, little desk. You obviously don’t know your place in this classroom,” Frazier says Alexandre told him. She then called the principal’s office, and Assistant Principal Richard Poorman, another school administrator and a school police officer came to the classroom and Cameron was ordered to the principal’s office, he says.
It was there, he says, that Poorman handed him a copy of school policy, requiring him to have a parent give written permission for him to abstain from participating in the pledge. Even with that, he still would have to stand during its recitation.
Instead, Frazier, through his mother, Christine Frazier, filed suit in federal court on Thursday naming Alexandre, Poorman and the school district as defendants. The American Civil Liberties Union is representing him.
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Yeah that little brat lives in my neck of the woods. This stuff makes me sick too…..Some of the people that live down here are crazy and always causing problems.
The ACLU is always hanging around here it seems. They just love this stuff. To me it is totally disrespectful and you are right they should move away like the Middle East or France.
I’m curious whether this brat even tried to claim that he was offended by the word “god,” or whether, more likely, he’s just a lazy little spoiled punk who doesn’t know how good he has it. The ACLU won’t stop until every single mention of g-d is removed from every public place. But lets say the word “god” was removed from the pledge, and some brat refused to stand. I’m willing to bet money that the ACLU would still defend the kid’s right to be disrespectful and not show alleigance to our country. This kind of crap boils my blood.
He wasn’t offended by the word ‘God,’ and he is not unpatriotic. He actually did have reasoning behind it.
“Instead of working this out at the lowest level…”
Totally agree. All the power mad teacher had to do was tell the possibly snot nose kid that this would be discussed later. After class, the policy could have been quietly explained to the student. After all, this apparently hadn’t been an issue since 6th grade (however long ago that was).
Instead of a big slapping of dicks on the table (metaphoricly speaking) the school officals could have handled the situation as adults, instead of playground bullies. “My desk is bigger than yours” Sheesh!
You are absolutely right, this could have been handled more maturely on ALL levels. The whole, My desk is bigger than your dick thing was uncalled for, and taking it to the court was also imatature….there was no reason this should have been blown up into a national issue.
Bah! That stupid little punk should go live in a democracy if he’s not willing to worship the symbol of our great republic!
Maturity is called for all around. I think some litigation can be avoided if people are simply nicer to each other instead of turning every confrontation into a contest.
Especially evident here is the teacher’s unprofessionalism. “Big desk” and “little desk?” Utterly unprofessional.
In a situation like this, everybody gets his (or her) dander up, and, before you know it, federal case. Lovely, eh?
–|PW|–
P.S. Does “maturity” extend to referring to a civil-liberties plaintiff as a “little brat?”
In my opinion, thats what the kid is. I could call him worse if you’d like.
In my opinion, if the State of Florida thinks that it can mandate that every student shall stand for anything, whether it be the Plege, or the Principal (or Governor, for that matter)successfully relieving him/herself in the restroom, it belongs in Federal Court. Florida is (last time I looked, anyway) a part of the US, not an autonomous country or petty dictatorship, regardless of how the Bush’s feel about it.
School has resumed in the new year and it is time to teach students about their right not to chant the Pledge of Allegiance. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-lawyer.html Shocking new discoveries have been exposed Dr. Rex Curry about the Pledge’s past. As a libertarian lawyer, Dr. Curry provides pro bono services in schools and universities nationwide (& by this notice) to educate students and teachers about the right to reject robotic ritualism. Please help to inform the public about the right and about the Pledge’s past:
1. Dr. Curry showed that the USA’s first Pledge of Allegiance used a straight-arm salute and it was the origin of the salute of the monstrous National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazis). Curry helped to establish that it was not an ancient Roman salute, and that the “ancient Roman salute” is a myth. http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html
2. The Pledge began with a military salute that then stretched out toward the flag. Historic photographs are at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html and at http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html Professor Curry showed that, due to the way that both gestures were used, the military salute led to the Nazi salute. The Nazi salute is an extended military salute. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html
3. Francis Bellamy (author of the “Pledge of Allegiance”) and Edward Bellamy (author of the novel “Looking Backward”) and Charles Bellamy (author of “A Moment of Madness”) were socialists. Edward and Charles were brothers, and Francis was their cousin. Francis and Edward were both self-proclaimed National Socialists and they supported the “Nationalism” movement in the USA, the “Nationalist” magazine, the “Nationalist Educational Association,” and their dogma of “military socialism,” and Edward inspired the “Nationalist Party” (in the USA) and their dogma influenced socialists in Germany, http://rexcurry.net/bellamy-edward-german-connections.html and the Pledge was the origin of the Nazi salute. “Nazi” means “National Socialist German Workers’ Party.” A mnemonic device is the swastika. Although the swastika was an ancient symbol, Dr. Curry discovered that it was also used sometimes by German National Socialists to represent “S” letters for their “socialism.” Hitler altered his own signature to use the same stylized “S” letter for “socialist” and similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html