Democracy Be Damned; The ACLU Will Have No Crosses
Posted on November 6, 2005
In yet another diplay of disdain for a government for the people, and by the people, the ACLU state that they know whats better.
REDLANDS – Voters decide next week if the “City of Churches” should restore the cross to the Redlands seal. When the American Civil Liberties Union threatened a costly lawsuit last year if the cross wasn’t eliminated, officials decided the cross must be erased from the city logo. Many residents were outraged and voters will now decide Tuesday if the religious symbol will return.
If Measure Q wins, the ACLU will likely go to court.
“This is the first time this has happened, to my knowledge,” said ACLU attorney Peter Eliasberg, who tracks crosses on seals statewide. He said it is “highly likely” a lawsuit would be filed against the city if it reinstates the cross.
Seriously, this is the guy? Peter Eliasberg is the Nationwide cross tracker? I mean for real? The ACLU really has one of those?
“The cross is clearly unconstitutional,” Eliasberg said. “It sends a message of favor for one religion over others.”
Last year, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted to take a cross off the county’s seal under threat of a lawsuit by the ACLU.
Scott Siegel, who led the drive to put Measure Q on Tuesday’s ballot, resents that the ACLU forced the city into removing the cross from the city seal.
“What happens in this type of situation is that the ACLU threatens to sue, then the city capitulates on a cost basis, and the case is never decided on its legal merits,” he said. “The ACLU is telling us that it’s a foregone conclusion that we’re going to lose if a suit is filed. That’s just a ridiculous statement.”
Ridiculous indeed, but thats the ACLU for you. What the people want has no sway with this organization. Why would it? It might be suprising if they were founded on democracy instead of Communism. It is good to see this town has decided not to cower before the ACLU’s threatening methods to further its secular cleansing of America. Now, if I could only find hope in our judicial system.
Thank you, Michelle Malkin for the link. Michelle provides some more background information on this.
Angry in the Great White North has found more crosses for the ACLU to eliminate.
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The Los Angeles thing is what kills me the most.
What the hell do these idiots think “Los Angeles” means? It ain’t a reference to “Lost Anglos” (although there are lots of those there!).
SAVING AMERICA FROM CROSSES
Via John at Stop the ACLU comes news of a ballot measure that the civil liberties group is fighting tooth and nail: Voters decide next week if the “City of Churches” should restore the cross to the Redlands seal. When…
[...] From Stop The ACLU: Voters decide next week if the “City of Churches” should restore the cross to the Redlands seal. When the American Civil Liberties Union threatened a costly lawsuit last year if the cross wasn’t eliminated, officials decided the cross must be erased from the city logo. Many residents were outraged and voters will now decide Tuesday if the religious symbol will return. [...]
John - not much time - gotta run, but could this be a “trojan cross” for the aclu? People “voting” for the cross will be seen as “imposing/instituting”..this could get smelly via SCOTUS….couldn’t it?
No telling how SCOTUS would interpret something like this, but the true imposing is coming from the ACLU.
ACLU: Cowardly
The ACLU is preparing to sue some small town over the appearance of a cross in the town seal. Cowards! Why not take on the states of Alabama, Hawaii, and Florida! Now that’s big game!
[...] Crossposted from Stop the ACLU: [...]
The ACLU Will Have No Crosses
Stop The ACLU says that in yet another diplay of disdain for a government for the people, and by the people, the ACLU state that they know whats better.
Voters decide next week if the “City of Churches” should restore the cross to the …
Jay, the ACLU has more than just a nationwide “cross-tracker.” They have a whole bevy of lawyers that watch conflics in each state, picking the ones that the ACLU feels they need to butt in on.
Likely, they’ll use a very similar argument to the one they used against the Nebraska Same Sex Marriage Amendment: the democratic voting system does not give the minority viewpoint a chance to win.
You think I kid.
No, I know you don’t kid. I knew they tracked this kind of stuff, but I’d never seen it in a publication.
L.A.: Stop The ACLU and Save The Seal
A Public Service Message:
A major battle between the ACLU and 92% of the citizens of Los Angels County is coming to a head this weekend over keeping the original County Seal. Tens of thousands of citizens are engaged in this non-partisan battle by si…
The ACLU seeks to undermine the very foundation of our nation.
One must ask what is the long-term agenda, for surely this persistent tactical approach cannot be without one?
Divide and conquer. By robbing a country of faith and national pride, what remains is vulnerable and weak.
See Paris burning.
Sunday Funnies
ow, although the always Horribly Threatening Baby Jesus is the main target of their ire, the ACLU, which has a cadre of overpaid lawyers scouring the dailies picking out the perfect small town conflicts in which to inject their atheist agenda, especi…
ACLU and Crosses
Madison, who knows more about this than the ACLU, wrote in the Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789), ”The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall th…
Hunting Crosses
In yet another diplay of disdain for a government for the people, and by the people, the ACLU state that they know whats better.
ACLU Says No To Crosses
In yet another diplay of disdain for a government for the people, and by the people, the ACLU state that they know whats better.
“Democracy Be Damned; The ACLU Will Have No Crosses”
Huh? You write as if a vote should overtake the Constituion. *IF* the display is unconstituional, then democracy cannot and should not overcome that fact. I also wonder why it’s so critical for some people to erect a cross in public areas. Why is it so compelling for them to want to have it? They act as if it’s a religion or something.
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[...] The Ass Crack Lickers’ Union have decided that if the people disagrees with their agenda, they’ll sue. [...]
Would a “crescent of embrace” be acceptable on a city seal?
[...] Did you know that the ACLU has a person specifically assigned to track images of crosses on County Seals for the purposes of filing law suits and demanding the crosses be removed? The ACLU sounds more and more like a Ministry of Religious Tolerance straight out of the pages of Orwell’s 1984. I wonder what the cross hunter’s official title is? “Banned Crosses Enforcement Officer”, or maybe “Administrator of Religious Cleansing”? Voters decide next week if the “City of Churches” should restore the cross to the Redlands seal. When the American Civil Liberties Union threatened a costly lawsuit last year if the cross wasn’t eliminated, officials decided the cross must be erased from the city logo. Many residents were outraged and voters will now decide Tuesday if the religious symbol will return. [...]
Anti Christ Litigation Unit
ACLU has in the past won cases in Federal Court regarding the placement of religious symbols on government property. It’s that “Constitutional” thing with the amendments and all. However, most particular items would go unchallenged by the ACLU unless there is a specific complaint.
The ACLU does swing both ways.
Recent ACLU involvement in religious liberty cases include:
September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supporting second-grader’s right to sing “Awesome God” at a talent show.
August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico street preacher from prison.
May 25, 2005: ACLU sues Wisconsin prison on behalf of a Muslim woman who was forced to remove her headscarf in front of male guards and prisoners.
February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successfully defends the right of an African American Evangelical church to occupy a church building purchased in a predominantly white parish.
December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.
December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challenge to “Intelligent Design” instruction in public schools.
November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.
November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.
November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.
August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln.
July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.
June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit.
June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County.
May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries.
March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister’s right to preach on sidewalks.
February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages.
October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.
July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school.
April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.
January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church’s right to run “anti-Santa” ads in Boston subways.
The ACLU should sue Turkey for the Cresent and star. They stole it from the city and realm of Constantinople, and that symbol, going back to pagan reverence for Diana/Artemis and the star for Virgin Mary should be returned to Christians.
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I notice that several of their lawsuits were started by the ACLJ, they only joined in because they knew the ACLJ would win, and they thought they could get some positive publicity that they do not deserve. I see that you listed that they are against intelligent design and that is definitely against christianity.
Jay and Michelle Shine Dual Searchlights on ACLU Cross Skulduggery
Finally, after years of gushing adulation and free ride at the hands of the seditionist, America-hating MSM, the ACLU ? an organization with truly evil intentions
Aclu Vs. The Cross
They have a hit list against morality and all that is right. If they win, and no one stands up to give them a fight. You can kiss your God loving, Family Supporting freedoms goodbye. They say they fight for individuals free rights. But do you think f…
Stop The ACLU’s Carnival of True Civil Liberties V
The civil liberties of every American are under a violent assault from every corner, and none are more virulent in their assault, than the so-called protectors of freedom, at the ACLU. So, to demonstrate the constant fronts in the
Funny. It’s as if Ghost Dansing never posted his list of cases where the ACLU took the side of the relgious. Hey Dansing, you’re getting in the way of ACLU opponents’ dogma. Stick with the program.
This has gotten so crazy. I am the furthest thing in the world from a
Christian and yet find the ACLU to be completely out of line.
I saw a good title assigned to this individual over at The Scriptorium.
They called him the “Cross Contention Coordinator” or CCC for short.
“Cross Contention Coordinator” or CCC for short.”
How appropriate!
(Mat 5:29) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
(Mat 5:30) And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
The “Right” is an offense to God. You will be plucked out, cut off and cast back into Hell from whence you came!
Top Ten List of Why the ACLU needs to be Stopped
Crossposted from Stop The ACLU Stop The ACLU was started on February 9th, 2004. We started with high hopes, and we realized we were facing a goliath. There were many reasons why we thought the ACLU needed to be countered,…
[...] #5. The ACLU is anti-Christian. The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “seperation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history. [...]
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[...] 11/10/2005 6:02 pm  -  Posted by Jay777 Top Ten Reasons To Stop The ACLU Stop The ACLU was started on February 9th, 2004. We started with high hopes, and we realized we were facing a goliath. There were many reasons why we thought the ACLU needed to be countered, and they are numerous. We wanted to provide a way to inform the public of the ACLU’s agenda, as the MSM sugar coated it. We wanted to be a central database for people to gather, exchange ideas, and get actively involved in real ways of stopping them. It is a monumental task, exhausting, time consuming, and often frustrating. But it is a fight worth fighting. We would be nothing without our supporters. To all of you, we appreciate the continued support. We have called you to action and you have answered. We raised $2,500.00 for an ad in the Washington Times, and I want to announce at this time that the check is in the mail as of Wednessday, Nov 8th. The ad should appear within the next two weeks. When it does, it will be scanned, and put up at Stop The ACLU for all to see. We will call you to action again, and again, and it is good to know that you will answer the call because you believe in this cause. The ACLU have been laying low lately, but that is no reason to grow complacent. It is now that we should prepare to counter them. The Christmas season is around the corner, and the ACLU will be full force. Get involved in Operation Nativity. There are many reasons to stop the ACLU. For this blogburst I decided to list my top ten list. 10. The ACLU was founded by Communist, with communist ideals, communist goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on America daily. The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly… My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.” 9. The ACLU does not believe in the Second Amendment. ACLU POLICY “The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court’s long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual’s right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms.”ACLU Policy #47 #8. Their outright hatred of the Boyscouts. They are currently doing everything in their power to hurt this organization. They attacked their free speech right to exclude gays, and are threatening schools, and fighting in court to get their charters shut down. The oppose the military supporting them, and will sue the pants off any school that attempts to charter them. #7. The ACLU are pro-death. Not only is the ACLU Pro-abortion, it’s the ACLU’s top priority. It most definitely takes a backseat to free speech for the ACLU. As a matter of fact, the ACLU has fought against the free speech rights of those that oppose it. If its abortion or euthanasia, as long as its pro-death you can count on the ACLU to support it. The only exception to the ACLU’s pro-death stance, is if it is a convicted criminal; in this case they are against death. #6. The ACLU advocate open borders. Not only have the ACLU opposed the Minute Men, a group who are simply exercizing their freedom of speech, protesting and stepping up where the government is failing, but they have helped illegals cross the border. #5. The ACLU is anti-Christian. The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “seperation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history. #4. The ACLU Opposes National Security. The ACLU have opposed almost every effort in the arena of national security. From the bird flu to bag searches, the ACLU have been against it. No matter what kind of search someone tries to do to protect people, the ACLU have proved they are against them across the board. Its kind of ironic that they don’t practice the principles they preach. Take a walk into the NYCLU’s Manhattan headquarters - which it shares with other organizations - and you’ll find a sign warning visitors that all bags are subject to search. #3. The ACLU Defend the enemy. They have a long history of this one. They defended the P.L.O. in 1985. They defended Quadafi in the 1980’s. And they continue today. They have told Gitmo detainees they have the right to remain silent, as in not talking to interrogators. One issue that really disturbs me is their refusal of funds from organizations such as the United Way that were concerned the money would be used to support terrorism. In October of 2004, the ACLU turned down $1.15 million in funding from two of it’s most generous and loyal contributors, the Ford and Rockefeller foundations, saying new anti-terrorism restrictions demanded by the institutions make it unable to accept their funds. “The Ford Foundation now bars recipients of its funds from engaging in any activity that “promotes violence, terrorism, bigotry, or the destruction of any state.” The Rockefeller Foundation’s provisions state that recipients of its funds may not “directly or indirectly engage in, promote, or support other organizations or individuals who engage in or promote terrorist activity.” #2. The ACLU supports child porn distribution and child molesters like NAMBLA. As legislative counsel for the ACLU in 1985, Barry Lynn told the U.S. Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography (of which Focus on the Family President Dr. James C. Dobson was a member) that child pornography was protected by the First Amendment. While production of child porn could be prevented by law, he argued, its distribution could not be. There is no doubt the The ACLU are perverting the Constitution. #1. The ACLU fufills its agenda using my tax money. What more can I say on this one? There are countless reasons the ACLU needs to be stopped. So don’t just stand by and complain, do something. Get involved. Here are some ways you can get involved to help us stop the ACLU. Support and donate to organizations fighting them in Court. Here are the ones at the forefront. ACLJ Alliance Defense Fund Thomas More Law Center Join the Stop The ACLU Coalition Help us write Churches to get involved. Tell your Congress to support the Public Expression of Relgion Act of 2005. This legislation seeks to limit attorney’s fees in Establishment Clause cases to injunctive relief only. SIGN THE PETITION TO STOP TAXPAYER FUNDING OF THE ACLU Crossposted from Stop The ACLU This was a production of Stop The ACLU Blogburst. 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